jaymobFOOL wrote:
And like we said ADR applies to all amounts now, sorry the carraige regs unless you are leave the UK, if you are in-scope or not depends wether you show your placards
Limited quantities you still need the core exam
Err… Bollocks
Small Load and LQ exemptions still apply. No training needed for LQ amounts and only awareness training needed for Small Loads. The major change was that the exemptions for drivers of vehicles under 3500kg no longer apply.
Posted under Hazardous Goods - ADR
Posted by Alec at 11:00 am, January 28, 2007
2 loose tins of paint don’t carry an LQ exemption. 2 tins of paint packed in a box or shrink-wrapped onto a tray probably will as long as they’re below the LQ threshold for the substance.
An example is given in the CDG manual:
Quote:
Paint UN 1263 PG II. This is LQ6. Cans up to 5 litres may be packed in a box not exceeding a gross weight of 30kg. Cans up to 1 litre may be on shrink wrapped tray not exceeding a gross weight of 20 kg. Subject to the box or tray being marked as above ADR does not apply.
The point is you DON’T need any training of any type to carry LQ packages. The situation hasn’t changed.
And you can change a loose tin of paint into an LQ package just by putting it into a tote box and closing the lid.
Are you confusing Small Loads with Limited Quantities by any chance? You don’t need awareness training to carry LQ packages, they’re exempt from ADR and they don’t count towards the load thresholds for Small Loads.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/manual/exemptions.htm#Lim_quantity
Once the inner package/tin/whatever has been removed from the outer box then you need to have ‘awareness training’ unless you put the stuff in another box with a closed lid.
Incidentally, do you realise that the only situation that DID change on 1st January 2007 is the one you’ve not mentioned? Drivers of vehicles under 3500kg now need full ADR instead of just awareness training if they’re carrying goods not covered by an LQ or Small Load exemption. That was the big change of 1st January. Everything else you’ve said is pure bollocks.
What’s our insurance got to do with your lack of knowledge about something you claim to know about?
No fixed address or company? I’d say I was one of the most open people in the industry about our company details. Here’s the webpage we set up last year so that new suppliers know who they’re dealing with and on what terms. http://www.anywhere.ltd.uk/suppliers.html Happy now?
Well I’ve not actually mentioned insurance, so I’ll gracefully assume that the reference to cowboys wasn’t aimed at me. Would you be kind enough to confirm that?
You don’t if you’re not carrying anything but LQ packages or Small Loads under the threshold do you? So what was your point, and what do you imagine has changed in that respect on 1st January?
Small Load is the term the HSE have introduced to stop numpties getting confused between exemptions for LQ packages and the exemptions provided by 1.1.3.6 of ADR 2005 (as amended by the Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations 2004). Is that a good enough definition for you?
But to the wrong aspect of it.
BUT THAT WASN’T WHAT THE CHANGE WAS. The major change is that drivers vans of under 3,500kg are no longer allowed to carry loads that come under the scope of full ADR with just ‘awareness’ training. It’s got nothing whatsoever to do with limited quantities.